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		<title>Comment on A diary entry from May 2001. by neosurya</title>
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		<dc:creator>neosurya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment !!!
Your last statement &quot;And I will never have to ‘work’ again&quot; is something that is echoed by everyone; each individual in the world would love to do what they want to do. But very few individuals would agree to change their current lifestyles. For  example, we love the greenery, the trees - but are we willing to stay there if there were no internet or electricity. This is a simple example, but the analogy extends to jobs - you would be able to work in the social sector, but it will not allow you to live in a 3 BHK house in a posh locality. Is that OK for you, and if it OK for you, is that OK for your family? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment !!!<br />
Your last statement &#8220;And I will never have to ‘work’ again&#8221; is something that is echoed by everyone; each individual in the world would love to do what they want to do. But very few individuals would agree to change their current lifestyles. For  example, we love the greenery, the trees &#8211; but are we willing to stay there if there were no internet or electricity. This is a simple example, but the analogy extends to jobs &#8211; you would be able to work in the social sector, but it will not allow you to live in a 3 BHK house in a posh locality. Is that OK for you, and if it OK for you, is that OK for your family?</p>
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		<title>Comment on A diary entry from May 2001. by Achala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How true, as a kid I always used to say , I will NEVER be an engineer. Today, I am an engineer (fortunately not because of pressure, but because I fell in love with computers as I grew older). But, I totally agree with you. We keep forgetting that our career is just a part of our life and not life itself. I make sure I take time out for all the things in the world. People ask me where I find the time to do all of this. The answer - I find time because I love to do whatever it is. I do look forward to the day when one of my hobbies becomes my career. And I will never have to &#039;work&#039; again :) 

P.S - Love ur blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How true, as a kid I always used to say , I will NEVER be an engineer. Today, I am an engineer (fortunately not because of pressure, but because I fell in love with computers as I grew older). But, I totally agree with you. We keep forgetting that our career is just a part of our life and not life itself. I make sure I take time out for all the things in the world. People ask me where I find the time to do all of this. The answer &#8211; I find time because I love to do whatever it is. I do look forward to the day when one of my hobbies becomes my career. And I will never have to &#8216;work&#8217; again <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>P.S &#8211; Love ur blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Maruti suzuki presents Independace day special. by Balu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thought Govt. sold its major stakes in Maruti Suzuki.. or is it the other way round..

after all Govt also needs to make money.. like ONGC, Railways, BSNL, BHEL etc etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thought Govt. sold its major stakes in Maruti Suzuki.. or is it the other way round..</p>
<p>after all Govt also needs to make money.. like ONGC, Railways, BSNL, BHEL etc etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A dry borewell, water logging elsewhere by Water in the market &#171; Back to Bharat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Water in the market &#171; Back to Bharat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who walks the often trudged path. BTW, folks who got till here would like to read my other post on dry borewells in hyderabad.     Leave a [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Visit to Shekhars farm by Water in the market &#171; Back to Bharat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Water in the market &#171; Back to Bharat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] story &#8220;Welcome to the town of Allopath&#8220;, by Mike Adams. This was sent by my colleague, Shekhar who has a farm outside BLR. Gist of the article is that Allopath is a city with the problem of accidents. A doctor &#8220;Dr [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] story &#8220;Welcome to the town of Allopath&#8220;, by Mike Adams. This was sent by my colleague, Shekhar who has a farm outside BLR. Gist of the article is that Allopath is a city with the problem of accidents. A doctor &#8220;Dr [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The 1K dinner by Balu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting. That&#039;s the reason I sometimes earmark some budget for it....

But the only other justification is that these restaurants employ dozen of them and indirectly providing them with work (though the the owner&#039;s make money big time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting. That&#8217;s the reason I sometimes earmark some budget for it&#8230;.</p>
<p>But the only other justification is that these restaurants employ dozen of them and indirectly providing them with work (though the the owner&#8217;s make money big time)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Times of India ads on You Tube by Balu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another nice on Rs 500:

http://thisissucksman.blogspot.com/2008/11/500-rupees.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another nice on Rs 500:</p>
<p><a href="http://thisissucksman.blogspot.com/2008/11/500-rupees.html" rel="nofollow">http://thisissucksman.blogspot.com/2008/11/500-rupees.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Will I beg for food? Bhavati Bhikshaam dehi&#8230; by neosurya</title>
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		<dc:creator>neosurya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the confusion with Shanu. I have updated the entry.

For your other comment: 
@ Ask the question yourself, what would you rather prefer? 100 good paying elite jobs(like IT Engineer) for 1000 graduates, or 800 elite+non-elite jobs(like IT Engineer, fireman, banker, shop keeper, waiter, gas station manager) for 1000 young kids(not all of them are graduates).

I do not question the rationale that it is good to have maybe 100 elite + 700 non-elite jobs rather than having everyone &quot;train&quot; for just the 100 elite jobs. My thoughts about education for are clear in my post. However, there are a few other factors to be considered:

1. The US has had loose credit available for its citizen and businesses. Is the standard of living of the UPS guy equivalent to yours because of socialist policies/protection of the dollar or is it because of true market reality? What if the rate of interest on his house was 10% instead of say 3.5-5%? The access to credit for everyone in the US economy and the resultant repercussions are clear these days. During my early days as a grad student in the US, my room-mates described the greatness of that economy; the system allowed even a lowly student living on a measly pay to own a cell phone and possibly even buy a second-hand car. My argument then was that such flow of money is unsustainable; The housing bust is an example of how unsustainable such credit is. 

2. The socio-economic footprint of US consumption is very large, unsustainable to say the least and damaging at worst. This footprint is evident when you look at the huge imbalance in living standards in the production center of USA, read China. The casual laborer or UPS truck driver in China is much worse off than a US citizen living on social welfare. It is likely that for every individual living on social welfare in a certain economy, a group of people in a different economy are working their butts off. Compare the carbon footprint of an average person in the US with that of a similar one in China. 

3. Is the market really free of laissez-faire after Government intervention in education? Despite all Govt. measures, it is still likely that the poor mans kid would get sub-standard education in comparison the rich guy. Govt. intervention is stunted in several domains. 

4. Govt. intervention is also designed to remove social/political barriers like race, gender, caste, and religious bias. Several examples can be given to demonstrate the economic benefits of such interventions. However, they are yet to remove the cause associated with such bias. More often than not, the bias remains uncured and is hidden behind a veil. For example, what are the social connotations of introducing yourself as an UPS driver versus a software engineer? The current mechanism of obtaining education and subsequent jobs is such that it automatically considers certain jobs as &quot;beneath education&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the confusion with Shanu. I have updated the entry.</p>
<p>For your other comment:<br />
@ Ask the question yourself, what would you rather prefer? 100 good paying elite jobs(like IT Engineer) for 1000 graduates, or 800 elite+non-elite jobs(like IT Engineer, fireman, banker, shop keeper, waiter, gas station manager) for 1000 young kids(not all of them are graduates).</p>
<p>I do not question the rationale that it is good to have maybe 100 elite + 700 non-elite jobs rather than having everyone &#8220;train&#8221; for just the 100 elite jobs. My thoughts about education for are clear in my post. However, there are a few other factors to be considered:</p>
<p>1. The US has had loose credit available for its citizen and businesses. Is the standard of living of the UPS guy equivalent to yours because of socialist policies/protection of the dollar or is it because of true market reality? What if the rate of interest on his house was 10% instead of say 3.5-5%? The access to credit for everyone in the US economy and the resultant repercussions are clear these days. During my early days as a grad student in the US, my room-mates described the greatness of that economy; the system allowed even a lowly student living on a measly pay to own a cell phone and possibly even buy a second-hand car. My argument then was that such flow of money is unsustainable; The housing bust is an example of how unsustainable such credit is. </p>
<p>2. The socio-economic footprint of US consumption is very large, unsustainable to say the least and damaging at worst. This footprint is evident when you look at the huge imbalance in living standards in the production center of USA, read China. The casual laborer or UPS truck driver in China is much worse off than a US citizen living on social welfare. It is likely that for every individual living on social welfare in a certain economy, a group of people in a different economy are working their butts off. Compare the carbon footprint of an average person in the US with that of a similar one in China. </p>
<p>3. Is the market really free of laissez-faire after Government intervention in education? Despite all Govt. measures, it is still likely that the poor mans kid would get sub-standard education in comparison the rich guy. Govt. intervention is stunted in several domains. </p>
<p>4. Govt. intervention is also designed to remove social/political barriers like race, gender, caste, and religious bias. Several examples can be given to demonstrate the economic benefits of such interventions. However, they are yet to remove the cause associated with such bias. More often than not, the bias remains uncured and is hidden behind a veil. For example, what are the social connotations of introducing yourself as an UPS driver versus a software engineer? The current mechanism of obtaining education and subsequent jobs is such that it automatically considers certain jobs as &#8220;beneath education&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will I beg for food? Bhavati Bhikshaam dehi&#8230; by Renegade Division</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renegade Division</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with &#039;education for all&#039; is that its the brainwashing done to us kids by our parents who grew up in pre-liberalized India.

Back then it did make sense to make sure everybody has equal chance at education because the govt job was the most elite life you can ever have.

But now, we still repeat the same rhetorics. We look at the kids from slums(like from slumdog millionaire) and we think &#039;only if those kids were somehow educated&#039;. We demonize the poor parents who do not send their kids to the school.

The problem is that by spending on education you are destroying the capital. This destruction of capital results in destruction of jobs. Is it really worth educating everyone to finally have jobs only for 10% of the graduates?

Ask the question yourself, what would you rather prefer? 100 good paying elite jobs(like IT Engineer) for 1000 graduates, or 800 elite+non-elite jobs(like IT Engineer, fireman, banker, shop keeper, waiter, gas station manager) for 1000 young kids(not all of them are graduates).

Its true that the chances of a rich man&#039;s intelligent son becoming an IT Project manager in Bangalore are higher than chances of a poor man&#039;s equally intelligent son.  But by &#039;education-for-all&#039; you are ensuring only one of the two gets the IT job, but by going for laissez-faire you are ensuring both get some or the other equally good jobs.

The poor kid could become manager of the chain of cafes in a small city. If nothing, he could simply be a mailman in a private company live in the house right next to the IT manager(like it happens in US, my neighbor works in UPS, as a delivery man, drives truck all day).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with &#8216;education for all&#8217; is that its the brainwashing done to us kids by our parents who grew up in pre-liberalized India.</p>
<p>Back then it did make sense to make sure everybody has equal chance at education because the govt job was the most elite life you can ever have.</p>
<p>But now, we still repeat the same rhetorics. We look at the kids from slums(like from slumdog millionaire) and we think &#8216;only if those kids were somehow educated&#8217;. We demonize the poor parents who do not send their kids to the school.</p>
<p>The problem is that by spending on education you are destroying the capital. This destruction of capital results in destruction of jobs. Is it really worth educating everyone to finally have jobs only for 10% of the graduates?</p>
<p>Ask the question yourself, what would you rather prefer? 100 good paying elite jobs(like IT Engineer) for 1000 graduates, or 800 elite+non-elite jobs(like IT Engineer, fireman, banker, shop keeper, waiter, gas station manager) for 1000 young kids(not all of them are graduates).</p>
<p>Its true that the chances of a rich man&#8217;s intelligent son becoming an IT Project manager in Bangalore are higher than chances of a poor man&#8217;s equally intelligent son.  But by &#8216;education-for-all&#8217; you are ensuring only one of the two gets the IT job, but by going for laissez-faire you are ensuring both get some or the other equally good jobs.</p>
<p>The poor kid could become manager of the chain of cafes in a small city. If nothing, he could simply be a mailman in a private company live in the house right next to the IT manager(like it happens in US, my neighbor works in UPS, as a delivery man, drives truck all day).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will I beg for food? Bhavati Bhikshaam dehi&#8230; by Gargi Dixit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gargi Dixit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The author, Shanu Athiparambath gets into a host of other discussions, some of which have quite deep repercussions.&lt;/i&gt;

Author is not Shanu, Author is me, it is MY WORK&gt;
me, Gargi Dixit, Unpretentious Diva, owner and administrator of Reason For Liberty.

Shanu is one of our Co-author and friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The author, Shanu Athiparambath gets into a host of other discussions, some of which have quite deep repercussions.</i></p>
<p>Author is not Shanu, Author is me, it is MY WORK&gt;<br />
me, Gargi Dixit, Unpretentious Diva, owner and administrator of Reason For Liberty.</p>
<p>Shanu is one of our Co-author and friend.</p>
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